I am one of those people who is honest about my racism. I am a black racist. I have a problem with white people, especially white South Africans. It is not that I don’t have white friends, I do and I love and respect them and wish them the best. But in our conversation the issue of me and the fact that I don’t like white people much always arises. I feel that whites are pretentions and they sometimes befriend black people so they can say: “see I am not a racist I have black friends” or “my maid is black and I treat her well, so how can you say I am racist.”
I fight with my friends because if we are anywhere and they see a shabby looking black person they feel sorry for them and assume he or she is poor and that they should give them money, yet they don’t react in a similar manner when they see that in a white person, they assume he/ she is on drugs.
Today a friend, Sixolise, posted a very constructive article on why she feels black people should get over themselves and stop looking back on apartheid but rather move forward and hold their heads high like the victors that they are.
June Love [a suspected fake profile whose sole purpose is to create racial dissent and discord on Facebook] proved my point that even the most sophisticate new age white people still harbor resentment against black people or that they are still racist. How else would one explain a white person getting angry and taking it as a personal attack on her race when a black person reprimands her fellow black people?
[Across is Sixolise’s piece]
Below conversation is a conversation that ensued between the two.
[10:18:37 AM] June: u have nothing but hatred for the whites dont u?
[10:19:02 AM] June: is there any reasoning with u?
[10:19:17 AM] sixolise Gcilishe: you should know me better than that
[10:19:30 AM] June: oh i think I do.
[10:19:55 AM] June: stop feeling sorry for yrself and get on with life
[10:20:06 AM] June: get rid of that chip on yr shoulder
Reason number 1; why racism still prevails:
I failed to see where Sixo was feeling sorry for herself. Maybe wanting to be proud and black and trying to encourage other black people is a sign of “feeling sorry for one’s self”
White people have a tendency to want to make us black people pity our situations. They say agh shame it will be ok don’t feel bad you are not alone. Here is some money here are some clothes and like mice draw to a trap with cheese we fall for it. We think these people are so nice, they give us clothes, money, food etc and all they are trying to do is build dependency.
[10:23:18 AM] sixolise Gcilishe: i’m actually weeping black people on that note if you care to pay attention
[10:23:42 AM] sixolise Gcilishe: they are the ones i suggest should stop feeling sorry for themselves
[10:23:45 AM] June: no u not
[10:23:50 AM] June: u running the white man down
[10:24:15 AM] June: but if u want to be LEFT BEHIND in another fucken Zim then carry on with yr shit
[10:24:39 AM] June: look at the whole of Africa it’s fucked ask yrself why
[10:25:20 AM] June: Rhodesia was a thriving country, taken over by yr people look at it today, and the rest of Africa went through the same just S.A. left now!
[10:25:29 AM] June: 
[10:25:42 AM] June: just look at it all with common sense
[10:27:51 AM] June: the rest of the world call Africa the “dark continent” wonder why or if it has two meanings?
Why is it that every time black people try to motivate each other some white fool always feels the need to point out bad examples of things that happen in other African countries.
I love how Africa is the “dark continent” yet all the first world countries receive their light from Africa, perhaps we are a dark continent because we are being sucked dry of our resources while all the white super rich countries flourish and we are left in poverty.
[10:30:11 AM] June: Sixo, it wastn my fault u were born black, and if others treat u like shit just ignore it man
[10:30:34 AM] sixolise Gcilishe: thats what im saying on that note June
[10:30:47 AM] June: GET A BOOK CALLED THE MIXED BLESSING by Helen Van Slyke I read that book when I was about 13 and let me tell u I felt sorry for that little girl
Reason No. 2
Why do white people have this assumption that we have a problem with our blackness? When will they realise that we are in love with our black olive skin, we don’t have to tan or buy creams that will make us darker.
It’s an inferiority complex they try to instil on us and most of the time we instil upon ourselves. We think they are better than us they drive better cars, they live in better houses and therefore they must be superior and white people thrive on this especially the racists. You see it in the manner in which they treat their employees or the manner in which they generally deal with white people.
The black people who have this complex still call the white man bass or madam.
Our generation does not succumb to this complex and this infuriates the racist white person and fuels their racism even further.
[10:31:00 AM] sixolise Gcilishe: i am saying to black people they should stop whining and seeking approval of a white man
[10:31:56 AM] June: why do they seek approval in the first place? Do they feel inferior and why do they, they shouldn’t
[10:32:27 AM] June: if i was black I would say fuck everyone, my life is my life and get on with it
[10:33:14 AM] June: NO ONE CAN MAKE U FEEL INFERIOR WITHOUT YR CONSENT
[10:33:25 AM] sixolise Gcilishe: my point exactly
[10:33:49 AM] June: we have it in the white community too, if you dont fit into the WHITE SOCIAL circle u shit
[10:34:04 AM] June: trust me it is worse being a white with whites
[10:34:48 AM] June: we have to maintain a fucken standard all the time IT IS TIRING
[10:35:32 AM] June: I sometimes use to tell my maid who worked for me for 13yrs AND SHE ADORED ME she was like a mother to me, I TOLD HER SOMETIMES I WISH I WAS BLACK SO I COULD JUST LET MY HAIR HANG DOWN FOR A MINUTE
Reason No.3
This in some way is link to reason 2. White people assume that we black people don’t have any standards; they assume we just drift around in life and by some miracle we find ourselves succeeding. Just because our mothers and fathers were maids, garden boys, security guards, taxi drivers or train attendants does not mean that we don’t have standards.
Black people perpetuate this by accepting the shabby treatment they get from white people and making excuses and being apologetic for their appalling behaviour.
You find black waitresses treating white people better that they treat black folk because they have decided that black people don’t tip (standard). Why would I tip you if you bring my drink late, by the time my food arrives it is cold because you were busy being attentive to white people sitting at the next table. You don’t even ask me how my meal was.
Until black people start owning up to being black and encouraging each other and setting standards for our work ethic etc white racists will always look down on us.
[10:36:08 AM] June: if u white u are expected to be FUCKEN PERFECT AT ALL TIMES
[10:36:24 AM] June: THEY ASK FOR VERY HIGH STANDARDS AND IT IS EXHUASTING
[10:36:41 AM] June: be who u are and enjoy it
[10:36:54 AM] June: IT IS HELL BEING WHITE#
Reason No.4
The feel sorry for us syndrome. Why must we feel sorry for white people? They still live in the most affluent areas of the country? They are the ones who are still at the helm of this country’s economy? Majority of them are employed? They can afford to get further education and training? Majority of them don’t survive on $1 a day.
Black people also have this syndrome, capable man and women stand in street corners and beg. They go around knocking on people’s houses and asking for food instead of looking for work. They are always going on about how tough life is and how difficult it is to be a black person.
How has feeling sorry for anyone ever helped any situation?
[10:37:10 AM] sixolise Gcilishe: i do not wish to be white
[10:37:17 AM] June: oh u do
[10:37:22 AM] June: for the sake of money
[10:37:32 AM] sixolise Gcilishe: my family is rich June
[10:37:36 AM] June: U HAVE TO BE TOP OF THE FUCKEN CLASS ALL THE TIME
[10:37:54 AM] sixolise Gcilishe: i lived in sandton now in fourways
[10:37:56 AM] June: MY HUSBANDS FATHER Is a multi mill yes I am too
[10:38:01 AM] sixolise Gcilishe: so?
[10:38:12 AM] June: so? money doth not maketh the man
Reason No.5
We have more money than you therefore you are jealous or want to be like us. Why do why people think only white people have money? Is it because we have been silly enough as black people to have allowed them to have monopoly over most sectors of our economy?
The white racists feel threatened by affluent black people and they try to block our success where ever they can.
[10:40:33 AM] June: but ask yrself why there was apartheid
[10:40:45 AM] sixolise Gcilishe: i dont care about fucken apartheid
[10:40:50 AM] June: u do
[10:41:52 AM] June: There were young farmers and the wives and little children being slaughtered by the zulus, of course the whites would retaliate
Reason No. 6
Blame the blacks. White man syndrome of blaming apartheid on the black people is another reason why racism will not end in our generation. Why did the Zulu kill the whites is it perhaps because they were taking over their land, killing their crop, people and livestock?
[10:43:12 AM] June: blacks in other countries dont slaughter like here we are 300 yrs behind still backwards look at the bloody hottentots
[10:43:27 AM] June: they still hunt
[10:43:48 AM] June: imagine a hottentot having a PC
[10:43:54 AM] June: :O
[10:44:21 AM] June: WE STILL beleive beetroot cures Aids? my God!
[10:44:31 AM] June: heaven help us
[10:44:48 AM] June: the problem lies not with the whites
[10:45:00 AM] June: and that came frm a woman with a bloody degree
[11:06:08 AM] June: blacks hated whites, whites hated blacks now get over it and move ON
[11:06:49 AM] June: that’s why we successful we dont hold grudges we move on and build empires
[11:07:03 AM] June: u should take a leaf out our books
For as long as we all don’t make a collective effort to change for the better in our attitudes and dealings with each other racism will never end. As long as the black man look upon the white as the one who stole the wealth of our people and brought on apartheid, for as long as black people feel that their burdens are all to be blamed on the white person.
And for as long as white people look down on black people and regard them as nothing but thieves, liars, maids and garden boys, then the war against racism is nowhere near being over.
Sandra Johnstone (South Africa) replied to Khayakazi’s poston June 8, 2009 at 7:01pm
June Love and her sick commentary is not a reflection on what millions of “White” people say and think.
June Love is a nut case and an embarrassment to many people who do not share her views.
I personally gave her a mouthful in my responses to that article you refer to, and I most definately do not appreciate being “lumped in the same mould” as that woman.
Lastly, anyone taking this June Love seriously, needs to reconsider, as I am convinced she is a suspected fake profile whose sole purpose is to create racial dissent and discord………….and has questionable motives.
Helen Oyintanda Ilitha (South Africa) wroteon June 8, 2009 at 9:15pm
June Lowther I think she is. Something like that. I called her June Loathing so she changed her name to June Love. She’s crazy. Her husband is an English racist too. She met hm thru an internet dating site. He sometimes logs on under her profile but you can tell because he starts taking about the British National Party and stuff.
Teboho A. Theoha (South Africa) wroteon June 9, 2009 at 8:33am
Tjo. The shock and horror! Thats post was so long, and I read it first thing in the morning. That June person has some serious mental problems. Talk about a warped sense of reality. Racism, like all other -isms, serves only to detach the species from the natural work. We’re all the same people, in spite of our geographic location, or skin colour, we’re exactly same.
I am not a racist. I dont hate people because of their colour, i hate them because of their deeds. ”Blacks need to stop blaming the white man, and start whipping ass” said an American activist.
Sixolise Eileidh Gcilishe (South Africa) wroteon June 9, 2009 at 2:01pm
That was an experience. It left me speechless
Liansky Bestenbier wroteon June 9, 2009 at 2:10pm
Why is everyone shocked? It’s not like this is something new. I was probably one of the first ‘non-white’ individuals to have access to the internet and back then, you’d be swamped with hate speech if you so much as suggest that being black was okay. Now its a bit better because the internet is being accessed more and more by different race groups and i do believe that the internet community in SA is starting to build a much more tolerant culture. This is an improvement compared to four or five years ago. We have to be proud though because the COPE FB group is probably the most diverse and most tolerant of all SA orientated internet groups.
Helen Oyintanda Ilitha (South Africa) replied to Liansky’s poston June 9, 2009 at 2:40pm
I think this group has gotten more black since the election. There are really pro-black topics now.
Sandra Johnstone (South Africa) replied to Helen’s poston June 9, 2009 at 4:07pm
I still think there is a concerning undercurrent of rascism and colour reminders in this group as well.
Maybe I have been a bit wet behind the ears and truelly “colour-blind” prior to Cope’s formation and joining this group, but I’ve never had to encounter so much Black/White/Coloured/Indian racial rhetoric and Colour issues, as I have here.
I’ve always understood Cope to be a party for all people, irrelevant of race, sex etc……..yet these forums can become quite hectic with racial overtures and colour issues.
Sixolise Eileidh Gcilishe (South Africa) replied to Helen’s poston June 10, 2009 at 11:01am
“I think this group has gotten more black since the election. There are really pro-black topics now. “
Are you having problems with black people now? Who have you been chilling with?
Capitali Zim replied to Sandra’s poston June 10, 2009 at 4:01pm
It’s a combination of the fact that it’s a political forum with relative anonymity, people that would probably smile be polite to each other on the street may have alot more to say here.
Sentletse Diakanyo (South Africa) replied to Helen’s poston June 11, 2009 at 10:14pm
Helen, I think you need to come clean. Are you racist or not?
Sabelo L Kotswana (South Africa) replied to Sixolise’s post17 hours ago
Poor Sixo. Next time call on me
Sabelo L Kotswana (South Africa) replied to Sandra’s post17 hours ago
Sandra,
I do not think there is any part of South Africa where there is no racial undercurrents. In the workplace, shopping, etc. Now, one can ignore all of this and move on, pretending it does not exists, but that is one’s approach and not often the reality.
The other day I found myself at Roodepoort CC to play golf on a very cold Saturday morning.
When my name was called as on standby, I immediately walked towards the tee. The group ahead of us played their shots and left. At that point, there were 4 people on the tee-box. The one was a young guy working for the club and collecting the payment slips. A guy came up and handed his slip to the young non-black assistant. He then asked the two non-black players whether they were playing as a two ball. I am standing there talking to these guys and he bloody assumes I am a caddy. There were 3 golf bags there. I decided to ignore it because it served little purpose to teach a racist that he is a racist. He will simply find excuses.